2105
Cheney is still using old information about linking Al Queda with Iraq ('the 10 year relationship'). There has yet to be any _solid_ evidence to link AQ with Iraq
It seems that the cameramen are adhering to the established rules strictly. This does not bode well for this debate.
2109
Edwards is following Kerry's message from last Thursday's debates. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to be answering the questions directly and is making extraneous points
2111
Where's Cheney's nuiance between Sadam Hussein, AQ, and terror? He has yet to explain himself satisfactorily on Iraq. However, he is doing surprisingly well in contrast to Bush in terms of making complete sentences. Edwards will certainly have a difficult time vs. him.
2113
Still, Cheney's claims about Afghanistan is not conistent with the reported facts that the media has reported on the status of the Afghans
2115
Edwards is spending too much time being sidetracked. However, he is doing a good job contrasting situations with what Cheney's painting.
2116
Possible breach in rules. Edwards spoke in response before being granted permission
2118
Retraction of the "global test" quote? Edwards backing up into a corner. He didn't address the clarification of 'global test' very well, imo
2125
Cheney seems to know his facts much better than Edwards does, and keeps pulling them up to back up his points. He is painting a power picture, however out-of-context it may be.
Edwards is vague at times in his response to Cheney's arguments.
2129
He neglected to mention pulling allies into Iraq to help with the stabilization effort
Finally, split screen to show both candidates' reactions.
I can't believe that Bush/Cheney is still using numbers to back up their coalition vs Iraq. 1991's Gulf War consisted of all (if not most of) the European powers. Today, there is only three at best.
2136
My question right now is how accurate is Cheney, really? He makes his points like they're natrually the truth. If he's lying, it's hard to tell from his demeanor.
2142
Edwards response in the Israeli/Palistinian conflict doesn't address Arab grievances. The Arab vote may swing towards Bush a little.
Cheney is certainly Bush's attack dog and does the dirty work for him. There is definately no doubt about that.
2148
No Child Left Behind law seems to put undue stress on good schools when all surrounding schools (if they're bad) loste students to these schools. THe good schools can't spend money on these extra schools. How can this be a working model?
2154
Cheney is painting Edwards as totalatarian by taxes. How ironic.
2159
Edwards has improved his demeanor on the camera. He's more relaxed, less nervous now. Less stammering
2202
Cheney has conceded a loss on gay marriage by not responding to Edwards' run on his daughter other than a 'Thank You'
2203
Kerry/Edwards will most likely lose the MD vote on healthcare reform (malpractice reform). But, his 3-strikes out rule for lawyers who file bad malpractice lawsuits sounds tempting. Unfortunately, there is real no credibility that either camp will go through with their version of malpractice lawsuit treatment. Edwards' proposal implies autonomy among lawyers (their buddies). It doesn't seem to be the best solution. If they include MDs with lawyers on a review board for cases, it may hold more water.
2209
Edwards.. doesn't seem to be a good liar...
2215
Edwards, imo, is almost as simple as Bush in his speech. Is it his nature as a former lawyer?
"A long resume doesn't mean good judgement".. applied to Cheney can also apply to Kerry...
2217
Is the president's agenda really the VP's agenda for Cheney? Or is it the other way around? Recall the first accusation of Iraq having WMD was first uttered by Cheney.
2220
Cheney did sound like Darth Vader for a second there when his mic was out of line o.O
2221
Quoting and agreeing with Bush is a bad move for Edwards. He didn't fully contrast his position from Bush/Cheney
2231
Edwards is really all over the map. Get to the point, yo! (a tad too late in the debate to change much, though)
2235
Wow. Edwards closing comments sounded very much like a closing argument for a trial case. Creepy.
I can only classify Cheney's closing comments on his domestic policy to be utter BS. Touts terrorism as their main strength for reelection and democracy abroad. That is incredibly beyond truth that democracy is the only way to prevent terrorism.
Closing comments:
If I remember correctly, what made me support Bush in 2000 was because of Cheney and how well he spoke despite how Bush performed in his debates with Al Gore. Cheney certainly pulled fact after fact after fact to support his points, which was quite overwhelming compared to Edwards' more simplistic way of dealing with the questions and the issues. Edwards had a very good chance to attack Cheney on a lot of other fronts, but he was too preoccupied with general campaign strategies and was frequently off-topic to really mount an effective offensive to question Bush and Cheney's policies. On the surface, Edwards got owned, especially on the subject on attendance and performance in the Senate.
But, for those who have been up to date with the news, Cheney's comments on foreign and on domestic policies don't hold water. He paints many rosy pictures, but doesn't really deal with the hard realities that have been present in the media. Unfortunately, the general public will most likely not be aware of this big difference, especially since Edwards didn't bother to point out their lack of realizing the real picture of the US and of the world today.
Verdict:
On the surface, Cheney wins the debate resoundingly over Edwards.
Under analysis, Cheney wins marginally over Edwards (an effective tie), mostly due to style points and Edwards' inability to get his message to match Kerry's and to match his effectiveness to compound on Kerry's momentum from Thursday.
Overall, Kerry/Edwards will lose momentum. Friday will be a make/break point for the Kerry/Edwards campaign.
2nd Verdict:
Cheney is certainly Darth Vader and has an aura of evilness about him
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